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« on: April 14, 2010, 05:50:33 PM »

The story goes that McCartney "ghosted" Chuck Berry's "Back in the U.S.A." and the Beach Boys' "California Girls" to come up with "Back in the U.S.S.R", so here is a proposal that we conjure up something of our own at K-M to take the song one step further...

Ed (manning) suggested a live drummer, but until we find one, I'll have a go at some percussion from "Hydrogen"....
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 05:53:08 PM »

we need a drummer here, the only musician we don't have  Undecided

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 09:02:44 PM »

 Huh   Cool

I hate to say how stuck for time I am at the moment .... but I'm severely interested in this one  Undecided

I just recently got Jamstix and haven't had a chance to try it out properly yet.

Gimme a BPM and a rough backing track and I'll see what this drummer can conjure up from it  Shocked
This is supposed to be the type of situation to put him to the test.  Lips Sealed

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 09:57:16 PM »

This sounds interesting, but I can't think what direction it can be taken Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 11:18:35 PM »

oren..
if it would help you i could look up what bpm i used for that ruff
in the booze thread. i'm not at my daw right now..
but will look it up if you wish mate.
i'm sure you can tell anyway. twas pretty fast if i remember.

what you could do i guess is lay it out in hydrogen as you say..
then if your lucky to find a real drummer have him play over the top
of everything later on mate like we used to do years ago in studios.
ie..get the bed guides down first etc etc the bring in the session blokes.  
ive heard there are various good drummers on the net that
will contribute for fun if asked mate.
might be another option.
god bless.
ed.
ps,,,offthewall...ive heard great stuff done with jamstyx.
particularly the newer extension packs.
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 04:35:12 AM »

Based upon the video, I got 76 beats per minute.

Here is a brief clip of a basic drum pattern from Hydrogen at that tempo... (I've given the song a working title - "Going Back")

* Going Back.ogg (507.2 KB - downloaded 215 times.)
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 11:33:25 AM »

oren.
i just looked up my project.
153 bpm. so halved is bout the same.
what was confuseing was on the you toob are various vids live.
some..the song is done faster , and some slower.
so sounds right to me mate.
i listened to your drum beat.
for a fast rocker might i suggest the following. ??

takeing 76 bpm.and 8 beats in a bar..
 hi hat for motion //speed illusion
8 in a bar perhaps. or 4 ?. kik on first beat.
and possibly fifth.
dont want a machine gun effect of course...
but i'm just thinkin of fast drums. to get the notion of speed
for a rocker ??
difficult without hearing like what i hear in my stoopid head..lol.
feel free to slam the idea.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 09:24:24 PM »

Oren,
I got your 76.

Jamstix likes to work on 'jamming along' to some audio.
If you can play me a guitar chord sequence for the song (without drums), at that tempo, I'll plug it in and see what comes out the other end.    Undecided

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 10:11:43 PM »

Most percussion sequencers will function better under these circumstances at double the rate I used: 152 b.p.m.
 Jamstix would likely benefit from using the larger number...

Ed,
Shall we see what Jamstix comes up with? Theoretically, if the instrumental track it is following is "busy" enough, the resulting percussion will be appropriately lively.

James,
I'll have a go at an arrangement and some rhythm guitar for your drum program to follow. Give me a few days to get the track rock-solid, so Jamstix has something substantial to track with....

Is everybody OK with a few chord variations to give the song a bit of originality?

Alternatively, we could see how Jamstix performs using Ed's 153 b.p.m. finished track, posted as Ogg Vorbis, so the timing is exact...
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 10:25:16 PM »

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Either way suits me .... it being all very experimental  Cool

I haven't really had time to try things out, but I think that so long as I have a strict bpm with some audio action (no drums) then we should be cookin'
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2010, 11:34:08 PM »

chaps.
sure i'm easy useing jamstix mates.
what i'm hearing in my silly brain is what we use to call a "pounder"
of a drum track...very danceable but not electronic genre...
more like a classic rok genre. (my biases showing..lol.)  
i hear these big drums pounding a start off,(live it would be audience clapping along..) then gradually each instrument comes in...
so drum pounds on start off, bass comes in with a cute bass line,
then rhythm followed by a hooky lead , then finally whole band shebang with vocs.
used to call it the las vegas intro. its an old trik of course.
idea is to build "tension" at the start of the song.
if you listen to old acdc or cheap trik stuff they used ta do this sometimes.
drums on their own pounding at the song begin.
for example drums pound a start off , the old 1234..then bass
boons around an E or a G or other note or whatever..motif sorta idea then other phased instruments come in.
fast..ba ba boom baba boom ba ba boom..
then basss...doo de doo , doo de doo fast..then rhythm doo de doo doode doo with
bass etc etc...then the old lead geetar trik...sliding down then power chords motif etc..then finally vocs. its all dynamics n tension in the classic songs eh ??
n hitting the punters with hot memorable liks right at the beginning of the song to
generate punter interest.
just some ideas. feel free to slam me..lol.
cos we are all mates here.

ps..the word "beach " was mentioned ..sorta gave me some lyric ideas.
song name.."rockin at the beach".
verse 1.
scream..i'm rockin at the beach...
aint nothin i wanna learn from the teach.
so i skipped out for the day ,
n gonna rock it hard on the beach in the bay.
verse 2.
were gonna set up on the sand..the same old band..
use some old lyrics from the bard..
translated to modern times..
yeh we're gonna make it rhyme n rok it hard.
chorus..
were gonna kiss all the girls at the beach.
they'll scream n scream n if were lucky we;ll get a peak.
amps on ten we'll stun em with sound..
n everyone'll party from miles around.
verse 3.
we invite you to come along.
have some fun n sing a song ..
bring yer girlfriends and yer wives , get a nice tan ..
while we rock it live..
out on the beach under the sun..
just rockin hard n haveing fun.
chorus.
verse 4.
we might play it wrong if you buy us some beer..
n if we kiss yer girlfriend have no fear..
we're only in it for the fun..
playing live under the sun.
our only mission is to entertain..
and play some rock again n again.
so come along one and all...
lets have a party n rock n roll.  

)just some daft lyric off the cuff  ideas..lol.)
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 07:26:53 AM »

Cool! We got some lyric action...

...and a blow-by-blow instructional on how to introduce a proper rock and roll number...
...we're officially in business wOO
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 11:48:09 PM »

Oren
well i dont know if the lyrics are junk..
they were done off the cuff in a few minutes.
once we had a bed trak going , if ok with other folks i could refine the lyrics..
n see what i come up with if thats ok ??  
another idea i had for the song..an old trik a la the old surf records..
drums come in at start alone...then a few bars later as i mentioned
bass riffing around an A for example..then like on the old classics..
splang ..lol..guitar chord stroke in Aminor sorta like a engine revving up idea.
splang, splang,splang,splang..then lead guitar intro motif/hook...
then finally whole band with vocs.
its just  songwriting triks.

i'll share something..prolly you fine people know the gig.
what makes a great song ??
to quote a LA AE who helped me once..a great pounding beat..
n at least 3 memorable hooks/liks in the song.
all catering to user psychology...n snagging the user..
viz..hit em hard at song begin with a great hook,
then in middle of song, n hit em again at outtro to make
em wanna play the song again.
ive not met many , just a few big names who made it..
but each one re iterated the importance of the above 3 hook approach.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 03:21:50 AM »

A lotta splang, and three hooks - can't be beat, in my books... Grin
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 01:32:24 PM »

good chaps.
i wish i had the gear i once had..but i dont ..
so this ruff mp3..just example of splang lol..
n the vegas phased intro idea.
after the final splang then i hear in my head
simple lead hook motif ..single picked notes a la the old surf records..
then finally the vocs come i n whole band.
withn your ok...if you want me to go further with the example.
cos ya might think its a crap intro idea //the vegas intro idea.
gimme yer feedback as to whether idea is junk.
going for breakfast..wifey cookin up a storm n me belly
is empty..lol. will check back in a few hrs.
god bless.

* vegintro.mp3 (368.98 KB - downloaded 202 times.)
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