BIAB upgrade ?

[kara]

What do you think, is it worth to upgrade ?
I would like to discuss here a bit, out of the pgmusic fanclub 

What I noticed :
- More substyles : this looks interesting, but means that you have redo all your styles if you want to use it.
- More partmarkers : This sounds good !
- Fade out of a song : I personally hate fade outs of a song, sounds to me as the composer didn't know how to finish his song  But still only a 2 bar ending
- Realtracks : How does this realy sound. In the demos there is only one instrument that I realy know, the sax. Well, the only thing I can say about that demo is that it sounds bad... agreed it sounds better then a midi track, but to me it sound liveless. I'm perhaps to much used to a real saxplayer ?
How does the instruments sound to you ?

What do you think ?

k

[rharv]

I've never thought BiaB was worth the price, for me.  I enjoy doing the parts myself that BiaB does for you.  I did notice some new realdrum styles..
I haven't heard any of the realtracks. Did you find them on the home page there?

[kara]

The links are actually in there forum
RealPedal Steel Demo: http://64.40.109.185/pgmusic/audio/realtracks/RealPedalSteel_Demo.WMA
RealAcousticGuitar Demo: http://64.40.109.185/pgmusic/audio/realtracks/RealGuitar_Demo.wma
RealSax Demo: http://64.40.109.185/pgmusic/audio/realtracks/RealSax_Demo.WMA
RealDrums, PedalSteel, and Acoustic Guitar Demo: http://64.40.109.185/pgmusic/audio/realtracks/RealGuitar_RealPedal_Demo.wma


k

[Oren]

Kara,

Impressive demos! Those sounds could fool a lot of listeners, if used carefully.

BIAB has been a composition and practice tool for me. Very handy for a guy who can't read or write music! (as I gradually make the transition to Linux, it will, unfortunately, see no more use here)

For these purposes, I find BIAB 2006 more than adequate, just using the Roland Virtual Sound Canvas DXi. Some very convincing backing tracks can be crafted from BIAB and the Roland DXi, but for my taste, if I'm going to use a synthetic backing track in a song, I want it to sound synthetic, rather than try and emulate real instruments/players.

Upgrading to RealDrums and RealTracks will produce a more natural-sounding backing track, but I'd rather have the RealPlayer...

Oren.

[kara]

Don't worry about Linux Oren
We have MMA with his support board here 

It's at least as strong in the Midi domain as BIAB is.
No realtracks, no realdrums and no graphical interface, but a great tool, once you know how to use it.
And fully supported here by BVDP (the developper) and myself 

k

Kara,

Impressive demos! Those sounds could fool a lot of listeners, if used carefully.

BIAB has been a composition and practice tool for me. Very handy for a guy who can't read or write music! (as I gradually make the transition to Linux, it will, unfortunately, see no more use here)

For these purposes, I find BIAB 2006 more than adequate, just using the Roland Virtual Sound Canvas DXi. Some very convincing backing tracks can be crafted from BIAB and the Roland DXi, but for my taste, if I'm going to use a synthetic backing track in a song, I want it to sound synthetic, rather than try and emulate real instruments/players.

Upgrading to RealDrums and RealTracks will produce a more natural-sounding backing track, but I'd rather have the RealPlayer...

Oren.

[MarioD]

Kara,

Impressive demos! Those sounds could fool a lot of listeners, if used carefully.

BIAB has been a composition and practice tool for me. Very handy for a guy who can't read or write music! (as I gradually make the transition to Linux, it will, unfortunately, see no more use here)


Oren.

Oren,

It’s also very handy for us old guys who would still like to keep on playing. Just punch in the chords, pick a style and pick along!

Most all of my music starts with Biab, but I do a lot of modifying in Sonar to get what I want.

I’m not advocating using BiaB.  If you can play the parts better then you don’t need BiaB.  But I can’t!  BiaB can also gives me ideas to work on via the melodist and soloist portions of the program.

FYI – It's also very handy for those of us who can read and write music.

Have a Merry Chirstmas

[Oren]

I’m not advocating using BiaB.  If you can play the parts better then you don’t need BiaB.  But I can’t!  BiaB can also gives me ideas to work on via the melodist and soloist portions of the program.

Actually, Mario I am advocating the use of BIAB  . Like all good tools, it has a lot of uses, and can be deployed by each user in a way that suits their tastes and purposes remarkably well.

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due...

Now, crack a Bud and strum a chord for old guitar players everywhere (especially you and me ),

Oren.

[Jazzmammal]

I was one of the testers and I still haven't gotten to all the new stuff yet.  A lot of it depends on what style of music you want to do.  I'm a jazz/funk/blues/rock guy and there's ton's of new things to play with.  The new LAPOP real drum set and associated styles have been dubbed the "Steely Dan" set because most of it is taken right off their tunes and they really sound good.  Even though it's not me, you should hear the new Techno Party and Urban Real Drum styles.  The new Terry Clarke artist series jazz drums also are pretty hot.  A really big thing to me is the ability to use more than one Real Drum file per song.  You can now mix and match the different drums within biab plus up to 24 styles in one song so yeah you may, no...will, want to redo your old stuff.  I hate to just sound like a booster but for what I like to do, this is by far the biggest upgrade they've ever done.  Oh yeah, the latin stuff.  All I can say is I love hot latin and there's so much to play with, I hardly know where to start.  The Real Tracks are limited right now but just wait.  The Real Sax is a soloist designed for a tempo of 85 but I'm sure there's a lot more coming.  The Real Acoustic Guitar stumming and Pedal Steel both sound great and can be very useful in the right tune.  I don't have any inside info or anything but I'm willing to bet that by summer, there will be a lot more Real Tracks to play with.  Personally, I'm waiting for some horn sections.
I've had a tune in mind to do using some of the new stuff so maybe this week I'll get it done and post it here.
 
Bob

[raymb1]

The Real Drums are worth it to me.  I don't use the midi drums anymore because the "feel" is so different.  Being a jazz pianist, I only use the bass and drums to accompany my playing.  Please check my post in this forum.  The original intent of BIAB was to be an accompaniment program, so it works perfectly for my purposes.  Later, Ray