New Oren/rharv tune...enjoy (I hope)

[elwoodblues1969]

This reminds me a little of the American Prayer album from the Doors,but definately has more of a Pink Floyd flavor to it-very cool!

Elwood

[rharv]

Thanks Fred and Elwood. We appreciate the feedback. Especially from experienced recording guys.

[folderol]

Very well put together. Clear and easy to listen to, but lots of interesting detail. I really like the contrast between the clean guitar and the quieter distorted one. Vocal differences fit well, and the harmonies are good.

[rharv]

The contrasts are classic     (..oooh, a clickey!)

[Wyatt]

The contrasts are classic     (..oooh, a clickey!)

IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THESE GUYS..DO YOURSELF A FAVOR!!!
Wyatt

[kara]

Very true, one day you guys will be famous
you should be famous

k

The contrasts are classic     (..oooh, a clickey!)

IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THESE GUYS..DO YOURSELF A FAVOR!!!
Wyatt

[Fred S]

Hey Bob & Oren!

Finally had time to listen to Diatribe. You guys are very talented and accomplished, and the production on all the tunes is fantastic. Is that your mastering work, Bob?

Really enjoyed Wild....excellent!! Love an odd-metered tune done well/seemless.

Here's one from a project (Celestine) I'm working on done in 13/8 you guys might enjoy. Its a collab effort with Frederik (comes around here now and then) we did last year...one of his beautiful compositions I took to the dark side . Gotta have a little edge, right? 

btw, if sometime you guys want a little hammond sound, dont be shy!

http://www.graybeardmusic.com/fred/Celestine%3b%20Part%204%3b%20Dark%20Skies.mp3

[rharv]

Thanx Fred, glad you enjoyed it.

I need to get away from programming/mastering for a few days and write another song...I could use the creative gratification.

[Oren]

Fred,

You got parts, friend! Big ones. Chops, too....colour me impressed  .

That's a keeper (hope you don't mind... )

Oren.

[kara]

Great prog rock !
Not surprised of the quality actually, you & fred together that simply must give quality.

Just a hint : If you post new songs, put them in a new thread, you'll have more reviews

I'm impressed by that piano playing, somebody here realy knows how to play !

k

Hey Bob & Oren!

Finally had time to listen to Diatribe. You guys are very talented and accomplished, and the production on all the tunes is fantastic. Is that your mastering work, Bob?

Really enjoyed Wild....excellent!! Love an odd-metered tune done well/seemless.

Here's one from a project (Celestine) I'm working on done in 13/8 you guys might enjoy. Its a collab effort with Frederik (comes around here now and then) we did last year...one of his beautiful compositions I took to the dark side . Gotta have a little edge, right? 

btw, if sometime you guys want a little hammond sound, dont be shy!

http://www.graybeardmusic.com/fred/Celestine%3b%20Part%204%3b%20Dark%20Skies.mp3

[rharv]

Finally got time to listen to this.
Kara is right- this needs it's own thread so more people will hear it...and I doubt it was done with PGMusic stuff. Not because it couldn't be done in PGMusic software,it certainly could,  just doubt it was..typing as I listen, as usual..

 Nice piano/string thing at the intro. The guitar comes in pretty dramatic, but it sounds like old recording, lacking presence a bit (kinda buried here)
Cool piano following it...I'm digging that.  Real nice when the drums come in at 2:45.
 Just as impressive as the piano playing at 3:20 is the background that joins in; nice arranging.
3:42 made me smile.
Again, nice arrangement right after that.
 Interested in the rest of the Celestine now...


You asked about 'mastering' work on Diatribe.
 I wanted to mention that all the Diatribe tunes were specifically aimed at being mp3 128/44 format when done. (we may change to OGG soon, but so far it's all mp3)
Oren and I both worked on the final versions, sending them back and forth before Oren would finally post them.  It's different working in mp3; harder to keep the sonic clarity on some things.  For instance on 'Wild' the format just destroyed the electric-grand piano sound to my ears. WMA did it more justice for some reason, but we were committed to mp3 for the Motogator.com site. Thanks for the compliments on the sound of our stuff.
 We have a lot of fun doing those songs, and there will be more soon.

 I'm finally done with the Kara-Moon CD mastering (I think). The image is burned, our new site is up and running, my new mastering station at home is built, and I'm ready to do some music again! I need to get away from the qwerty keyboard and in front of the Juno-G keyboard again, it's been too long.
Thanks for posting that song, it was inspiring.

[Fred S]

Fred,

You got parts, friend! Big ones. Chops, too....colour me impressed  .

Oren.

@ Oren; Hey Oren, thx, your alright!!!  I can't claim the piano chops here though cause they belong to Frederik. Although I do play piano, I'm much better with keys that spring back 

@Kara; sorry, I wasn't trying to put it up for the masses. I just really enjoyed Bob's and Oren's Wild cause it was mostly done in 5/4 (I think it was 5/4), and thought they might enjoy this in 13/8. There's something very cool about an odd-meter comp that sounds natural and/or doesn't sound like its in an odd meter, and Wild fills the bill!

@Bob; Celestine is about half done. It should be done now but I wanted to play at least one tune on guitar myself. I'm just not good enough yet so the project is currently stalled. Much of it so far has Martin's wonderful vocal and guitar contributions. Actually part 7 (back with my friends) is going to have a lot of folks involved. Maybe I can get you and Oren on there!!!

You mentioned the guitar, so I'll explain (Oren, cover your ears). All the guitars in this tune were virtual brews and played on the keyboard (shhhh...). When you can't play guitar well enough, you do what you can     Its very hard to feature them out front and keep them close to authentic sounding, and some of the "coloring" is unfortunately necessary for the same reason.

Regarding the mastering in Diatribe. I think you and Oren do a fantastic job with that. Regarding pianos...that's a difficult proposition however played, let alone in 128. I have a ton of virtual pianos (including Ivory which is supposed to be the top of the line) and none of them sound close to my Kawaii. IMO, its sorta like pysuedo guitar...getting them to sound as close to real as possible. You have to be very careful with limiting and compression cause you'll absolutely kill the dynamics (unless you play and sound like Elton ), and whenever you listen to the same cut at 320 and then at 128, the piano is obviously negatively effected. It really doesn't sound all that bad in "Wild"....works in the mix pretty good.

Sorry for the long post!

[Oren]

Fred,

I'll take you up on the offer of some Hammond action, once the mastering for "In A Spin" is finished. (I just tooled up with a complete new set of mastering software to try and get the MP3 versions sounding as good as Ogg Vorbis ) There are a couple of tunes which have been on the back burner for too long that could really do with a vacuum tube keyboard injection. Prepare to kiss "normal" goodbye...

Oren.

[Fred S]

Prepare to kiss "normal" goodbye...

Oh darn, it just got here....

[rharv]

Since we've gone into an odd-time display area..
the attached piece is an 11/8 piece Barry and I did about 6-7 years ago according to the date on the CD. We did a CD that consisted of two 20+ minute pieces divided into movements.  This was the second movement of the first piece, which focused around a trip we took in the 80's that went much farther than was intended..by a few years anyway.
 I was surprised at how well it flowed for such an odd time. Most people don't notice the odd time until it's mentioned, then they count it out and say 'hey- it IS in eleven!'

The recording quality itself is dated (I think it was tracked on a Tascam 4-track if I recall), but the work is pretty cool still