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« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2009, 11:32:11 PM » |
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Hello all: My pc OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~2599 Mhz Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB Sound card M Audio Delta 44
Daw's (I'm a PC/Windows guy) 99% of everything I do is Energy XT 1.41 (I find it quick and easy and I tend to work with midi tracks) I have Sonar 6 and will be using that for this collaboration as it has Superior mixing features. (been with cakewalk since my first pc, came bundled with the soundblaster card) Using Sound Forge 8 to do the og to wav conversions.
Favorite software VB3 Hammond Organ emulation OP-X Oberheim emulation Kontakt / Garritan GPO and JBB, Steven Slate Drums Yellowtools / Culture and Majestic (pretty much a Vst/i junkie)
Favorite hardware Like Wyatt I dig a maple neck Strat. ( I do not have one with a solid one piece neck ) Zoom GFX-8 Alesis QS7.1 Roland TD-3 (used set,picked up recently, my first set of drums in 30 years. Man drums have changed a lot!) Last but not least My oldest and dearest friend, Just back from the shop getting the top repaired, a mid-late seventies Japanese Epiphone. As Pete Townshend said "Never sell your guitar or your pen". Guess a guy will collect a lot of stuff given enough years! I'd be interested in something quicker to do the Ogg conversions?
Nice rig! My XPpro computer has a Delta 66 card. Good combination. Both my G&L "strats" have the maple neck (one with a rosewood fretboard), but the blank is sawn in half, lengthwise, then glued together around the tension rod - no "skunk stripe", but not really one piece, either. Audacity does all my file conversion in Linux, and I understand it does a good job in Windows, also.
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« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2009, 12:09:51 AM » |
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I'm mixing down some vocals that I recorded for the 16-bar G-chord section, clocked at 59.95bpm, and it's sounding cool. However, if the tune is fundamentally flawed because of the slow tempo, speeding it up would be the remedy. This would result in a very different song, and require we all compose our tracks again.
Is that your suggestion, mi amigo?
The simple answer is do what is best for the song. Personally I like it at 59.95, that is based on the original "short" version. Are we talking two different songs here? Should we not use the new version? Should we revisit the new section? Don't know, just asking.
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« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2009, 06:56:59 AM » |
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ok guys k is back I don' know if we have to speed up the song... since it definitly takes another direction at 90 BPM. IMHO 90 BPM takes it out of the blues area an more into the rock-blues area, like Cyber blues did.... Since I read your replys this morning when I got up, I was playing a bit with it (in my pyamas by the way ) and noticed something else. I actualy used the proposed chord progression from Oren but used it in the wrong way Oren suggested a 8 bar chorus and I interpreted it as a 16 bar progression ! Now if we use it as a 8 bar progression like this G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|E-E| it sounds completly different... Try it out and let me know what you think. Either way, we will have to rerecord our tracks. So we better make a final decission k
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« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2009, 07:16:11 AM » |
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Now if we use it as a 8 bar progression like this G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|E-E| That is exactly what I was playing. If you were playing something other than that .... maybe that's how I couldn't get the thing to hang together? James
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« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2009, 07:33:21 AM » |
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I'm confused now... I was pretty sure I played that chord progression as a 16 bar... every chord 1 bar long Now if we use it as a 8 bar progression like this G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|A-A| G-D|E-E| That is exactly what I was playing. If you were playing something other than that .... maybe that's how I couldn't get the thing to hang together? James
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« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2009, 07:44:00 AM » |
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Yes .... sorry, my early morning bad .... every chord 1 bar long is the way it is. apologies, maestro. James
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« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2009, 03:58:54 PM » |
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I was pretty sure I played that chord progression as a 16 bar... every chord 1 bar long
Yes, that bridge/chorus chord progression was originally suggested as an 8-bar segment, but actually performed as a 16-bar segment in our song. I like to think of it as a happy accident. My suggestion: Leave it "as is". Kara, if you would be so kind, give us a separate drum track and piano track. I'm happy to lengthen them to include the extra two verses, after they are posted. This way, all the vocal and instrumental material already submitted will still fit, and we can carry on performing/editing/mixing at 59.95bpm. It ain't going to be your average blues tune - but to my mind "average" is over-rated...
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« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2009, 04:54:10 PM » |
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My suggestion: Leave it "as is". Fair enough .... just ignore my other comments, please. Looking forward to getting this rolling again now that Kara is back. James
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« Reply #83 on: June 22, 2009, 05:21:21 PM » |
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It ain't going to be your average blues tune - but to my mind "average" is over-rated... +1 Wyatt
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« Reply #84 on: June 22, 2009, 10:46:48 PM » |
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Yeah! I thought we might get derailed for a minute.
Oren, looking forward to your take on the chorus lyric. Been letting the track loop and frankly I'm pretty much without ideas on where I'd go with it. I don't think the chorus is your average blues progression.
Kara, any chance you could share the Intro and out progression your using on the piano part. I've been trying to duplicate it and cant seem to get it. I'm starting with D-G-A and ending with the A chord but cant seem to get the in between?
Thanks MRT
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« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2009, 05:12:18 AM » |
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Fair enough .... just ignore my other comments, please. Looking forward to getting this rolling again now that Kara is back. James, All of your comments are essential to the process - it is a collaboration, after all Each of us throws out some ideas, lets the crew kick them around a bit, and then we take the direction that suits most of the participants. Thanks for taking the time to suggest some alternatives... Oren.
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« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2009, 05:25:57 AM » |
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Attached are two files: 1. a bridge/chorus vocal I came up with, mixed with some backing track for context 2. the bridge/chorus vocal unaccompanied, ready to load into your DAW. No effects.
The lyric: You're my long-time confidant, there's nothing more I could want There's no need to be forgiven, we're just learnin' about livin' We try harder than anyone realizes, and then enjoy those pleasant surprises I know sometimes I need consoling, still, the good times keep on rolling Every morning we start over, then we're rolling in the clover There's no time for retaliation, we're in this for the duration.
I know this is nothing new But I can't seem to feel those tired old blues Just knowing, that I'm growing, growing old with you - you know it's true.
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« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2009, 06:33:09 AM » |
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OK , I'll rerecord the drums and piano separate this evening. I'm planning to make some loops of the different parts in a way that they can be used/repeated in function of the song structure. @oren : Good bridge, I'll need a dictionary to look up some of those words @MRT : I'll write it out for you This is fun k
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« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2009, 04:25:49 PM » |
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I had some fun today with this. I don't get much 'mic time' so I just made a one-take of the whole song. I also used the previous 8 line bridge lyrics as an extra verse by 'squeezing' the words in to fit So this is a run-through of the whole. Let me know if there is anything worth using and I can separate it out. Interestingly, The whole thing rendered to OGG, and 160 MP3, at over the 8meg limit for uploading here. I had to compress further to 128 mp3 so as to be able to post it James
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« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2009, 04:55:41 PM » |
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I had some fun today with this.
James, Would you post the complete guitar track and the complete vocal track as separate files? I'd like to include some of your guitar stuff with Wyatt's and Mario's, and edit some of your vocal action in there with Michael and me. The reason the file you posted had to be scaled down to 128 Kbits/sec is that the song is so long - therefore a lot of digital information and a big file size at the higher bit-rates. If you post the tracks as a FLAC file, they will be under 8 megabytes, I think (because there is so much silence in a single vocal/instrument track). Failing that, an Ogg Vorbis file at 128 Kbits/sec will give us quite sufficient fidelity. Shine on....
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