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Oren
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« on: November 11, 2010, 06:31:49 PM »

Have you seen this...?
http://brenzi.ch/builder.php?content=projects_biabconverter&lang=de
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 06:53:14 PM »

Guess we need to advertise more Smiley

There is a file on this site with hundreds of BiaB converted tunes. Some are quite good.

Also, there is a link on the main mma site

   http://mellowood.ca/mma/helpers.html#convert

with this link.

Seriously, thank you for the reminder!

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 07:19:11 PM »

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There is a file on this site with hundreds of BiaB converted tunes. Some are quite good.

Very true Bob, we are so busy with the MMA project, that we don't communicate enough  Shocked

Hundreds of converted songs can be found on our main site :
http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod02&l_submenu_id=m001_02_07

By the way, they work on MMA on windows too  Wink

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 08:24:13 PM »

Not to put cold water on this ... but in honesty we should point out that the program is not able to extract the accompaniment parts out of the BiaB files. It just extracts the chords and then substitutes MMA libraries for the BiaB changes. Okay and useful, but not ideal.

I'm in a bit of a open source evangelical mood today so I use this as an example of why we should try to use open source software when we can. In the example of MMA vrs BiaB all the sources for the program and the libraries are freely available for all to use, study and modify/improve. Closed and proprietary software usually isn't. If that is not a concern, then use the proprietary stuff ...
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 10:33:33 PM »

... this as an example of why we should try to use open source software when we can... the sources for the program and the libraries are freely available for all to use, study and modify/improve. Closed and proprietary software usually isn't. If that is not a concern...

It's a concern, brother. A fundamental issue in all these "compatibility software" projects is: "Why bother shoe-horning proprietary software into Linux when you could apply your resources to further developing our existing open-source tools?".
Sometimes, what seems like a cool idea (this biabconverter software, for instance) is actually an inadvertent step backward... Embarrassed
Thanks for pointing that out... wOO
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2010, 01:42:28 AM »


It's a concern, brother. A fundamental issue in all these "compatibility software" projects is: "Why bother shoe-horning proprietary software into Linux when you could apply your resources to further developing our existing open-source tools?".


Yes, you are completely correct on this. I would, personally, never bother to spend a lot of time trying to be compatible with something proprietary.

Another good example is a utility I wrote for mma, ys2mma, which attempts to convert Yamaha style files to something that mma can use. It works, mostly.

But, now Yamaha has a new format for its newer synths ... and ys2mma has real problems with these files. I guess one could spend a lot of time reverse engineering, etc. But, it's really not worthwhile. The formats/concepts really aren't the same to start with, so any conversion will be, at best, "okay".

And, the real problem with this, as you point out, is that we'd be much better off spending our time writing good library files for mma. When I wrote ys2mma I thought it would be a tool which would extract data from an existing file, convert it and then someone would use that to write a proper/good mma file. Unfortunately, the truth turns out to be that once a simple conversion is done ... and that's the end. The results, while usable, do nothing to show off the original file or the conversion. Kara might want to jump in here ... he's done a lot of conversions, but from some recent mails from him (and contributions!) I think he's come to the same thought as me: It is easier to do it from scratch.


The BiaB converter is similar. It extracts some of the info from a file and presents it in a mma format. If you take this as a starting point and develop a good mma song file, that would be wonderful. But, I suspect most folks will just use the translation and be happy.

Oh well, that's life Smiley


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