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Title: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on July 28, 2008, 10:39:50 PM
At one time i used to leave a keyboard switched on whenever I was home. This meant that I could get something down immediately if I had an idea. This resulted in dozens of short recordings of random bits of melody and became quite overwhelming.

This particular tune was another of my 2am rambling inspirations from way back - the original file date is 1994! Over the last few weeks I've been playing it though, bum notes, timing errors and all, to pick out the best parts of it.

Now I've made a completely fresh recording using Zyn (of course) and think it's ready for a first airing. I'd be grateful for any suggestions, particularly regarding the instrumentation. I've a feeling there isn't enough variation, but that could be just because I've had my nose too close to it!

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Hmmm, looking back I seem to have been unusually busy this month ;D


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: elwoodblues1969 on July 28, 2008, 11:40:07 PM
Will,

I think this piece is a very well contructed song-has an Enya flavor to it.I don't see anything else that can be done with this...this song was aged to perfection and it's ripe & ready to serve. 8)

Cheers,

Thom


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: kara on July 29, 2008, 07:11:27 AM
Great relaxing piece Will
I actually don't think that it lacks variation, but perhaps it could use vocals.
If you would be interested in french vocals I could ask Azell to write them and sing them ?

k


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: Oren on July 29, 2008, 08:19:35 AM
Just ducky as is, professor...
....changing to a different melody instrument for a few bars mid-song would provide added interest, but that's a superfluous trifle (or would that be truffle....?).

Splendid piece of music  :-


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on July 29, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
Will,

I think this piece is a very well contructed song-has an Enya flavor to it.I don't see anything else that can be done with this...this song was aged to perfection and it's ripe & ready to serve. 8)

Cheers,

Thom
Thank you Thom
That really is a rather poetic comment you made 8)


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on July 29, 2008, 08:20:44 PM
Great relaxing piece Will
I actually don't think that it lacks variation, but perhaps it could use vocals.
If you would be interested in french vocals I could ask Azell to write them and sing them ?

k

Thanks again,

I'd like to hear what Azell can do with this. It's in Bm at the moment. I chose that key for best range and tonal balance of 'instruments'. Would that be OK?

... Can we have a translation into English as well? ;)


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on July 29, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Just ducky as is, professor...
....changing to a different melody instrument for a few bars mid-song would provide added interest, but that's a superfluous trifle (or would that be truffle....?).

Splendid piece of music  :-
Ta mate 8)

It was a mid 'verse' change I was thinking about, but now I'm not so sure. I'll let it 'season' for a few day, then maybe just touch up the vibraphone in a couple of places where I got a bit heavy handed with the {ahem} mallets. I also thought about tidying up some of the timing, but now I think it's actually better to leave the natural variations after all.


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: kara on July 29, 2008, 09:00:54 PM
ok, I'll let here have a listen tomorrow and see if she comes up with something...

k


Great relaxing piece Will
I actually don't think that it lacks variation, but perhaps it could use vocals.
If you would be interested in french vocals I could ask Azell to write them and sing them ?

k

Thanks again,

I'd like to hear what Azell can do with this. It's in Bm at the moment. I chose that key for best range and tonal balance of 'instruments'. Would that be OK?

... Can we have a translation into English as well? ;)


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: offthewall on July 29, 2008, 09:03:08 PM
This is another wonderful piece, my man. (http://bestsmileys.com/hat/4.gif)

I like it as it is. The timing variations are super. I agree with Kara that it could make a lovely song.
You certainly have a way with tune construction, sir.
 ;)
James


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: Wyatt on July 29, 2008, 09:04:29 PM
This is another wonderful piece, my man. (http://bestsmileys.com/hat/4.gif)

I like it as it is. The timing variations are super. I agree with Kara that it could make a lovely song.
You certainly have a way with tune construction, sir.
 ;)
James

++++

..my sentiments, as well.

Very beautiful.

Wyatt


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: kara on July 30, 2008, 11:54:45 AM
Azell thinks it's a very beautifull song and will try to write some lyrics for it ;)

k

ok, I'll let here have a listen tomorrow and see if she comes up with something...

k


Great relaxing piece Will
I actually don't think that it lacks variation, but perhaps it could use vocals.
If you would be interested in french vocals I could ask Azell to write them and sing them ?

k

Thanks again,

I'd like to hear what Azell can do with this. It's in Bm at the moment. I chose that key for best range and tonal balance of 'instruments'. Would that be OK?

... Can we have a translation into English as well? ;)


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on July 30, 2008, 07:39:03 PM
Woo, more replies :-

Thanks a lot James, but don't you think you should keep your hat on ... or change your barber ;D

Thanks also to Wyatt for your support.

Azell thinks it's a very beautifull song and will try to write some lyrics for it ;)

k

That's great  :) :D ;D


After what everyone has said here is the final clean instrumental version. I've made very few real changes.
I altered the backing synth so it had a fuller sound but lost the low frequency growl that appeared occasionally. I've reduced the velocity of a (very) few notes of the vibraphone (mostly at the start). I've re-balanced the whistle so it is clearer in the bridge section but more subdued for the last verse.

All the rest of the dynamics I've left severely alone, but made a clean recording direct from Zyn. to a wav file.


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: MarioD on July 31, 2008, 07:08:20 PM
This is really really REALLYgood!

I love this kind of stuff and this is as good as it gets.

FANTASTIC production :;


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: offthewall on July 31, 2008, 09:26:08 PM
I think that this should be a *collective* piece for September.
It would make a great song for Azell. I can hear Kara play a superb bass line in this. I would love to do a guitar and/or whistle part to it.
Overall, this could be your masterpiece, young folderol!!
 ;)
James


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: kara on August 01, 2008, 07:56:39 AM
An excelent idea ! We could record it live
Azell is writing some lyrics for it at the moment.
Will, do you have a chord chart for this, or do I have to find out myself?

k


I think that this should be a *collective* piece for September.
It would make a great song for Azell. I can hear Kara play a superb bass line in this. I would love to do a guitar and/or whistle part to it.
Overall, this could be your masterpiece, young folderol!!
 ;)
James


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: Wyatt on August 01, 2008, 12:03:03 PM
This is really really REALLYgood!

I love this kind of stuff and this is as good as it gets.

FANTASTIC production :;

+++++ !!!!!

Don't forget us when you get famous, OK?

8)

Wyatt


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: Laguna Rising on August 01, 2008, 06:46:26 PM
Very very nice  8)
Excellent melodies and good 'wise' arrangement, I mean... not too little not too much (density of harmony)
I like it and I look forward for the new developments

Cheers


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on August 01, 2008, 08:37:24 PM
@Mario
Thanks again for your appreciation.

@offthewall
James, you are developing a habit of dropping me right in it :o
{mutter}good idea though{mutter}

@kara
Well I guess thats it then :) I suppose I'll now have to learn to actually play a part all the way through in one hit!

This should be interesting. It's many more years than I care to remember since I've played live in a group, and I've never been in a live recording.

I don't have the chords written down, but it wouldn't take long to do so. They are pretty simple. I actually played this in Am - although I then transposed it to Bm. Most synths (as far as I know) can transpose as you play, so that makes it easy for the likes of me, but what would be the best key for those playing 'real' instruments, and more to the point, what would be the best key for Azell to sing?

@Wyatt
Again, thanks. Famous? Me? Noooo.

Anyway, I'd never forget the guys on here! This forum has a really friendly buzz.

@LR
Thanks mate. I do try very hard to get the balance of harmonies and accompaniment right. I'm really delighted that so many people think I got it right this time.


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: kara on August 02, 2008, 07:34:55 AM
ok, we have to agree about a key for the song.
For the bass it isn't 'realy' important, you know we just slide fingers up or down a fret  ;D
Azell can sing in 'almost' any key, Bm is fine but allso Am, and Am is an easy key for keyboard players, I think I've never played a song in Bm on a keyboard...

I think what is important are the penny whistles of James, I know that you can't play in any key on those....

James ?


k
 


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: offthewall on August 02, 2008, 09:11:14 AM
Bm or Am. I can work with either.
 ;)
James


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: SoundKlops on August 02, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Hi Will,

let my say it in one word: (http://bestsmileys.com/wow/2.gif)

Andreas


Title: Re: Who Cares
Post by: folderol on August 03, 2008, 03:17:22 PM
Bm or Am. I can work with either.
 ;)
James
I've made some comments on the 'live gig' section.