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Title: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 13, 2017, 05:11:59 PM JonD and I were having writer's block so we decided to roll the dice and whatever number came up would be the root of that measure's chord. Once we had the chord roots in place we used theory to transition from chord to chord.
We hope you like it. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: offthewall on January 13, 2017, 09:53:32 PM This is a very interesting technical approach to composition.
Really well played all round. Rich and smooth. A bit different doesn't hurt now and then. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: folderol on January 14, 2017, 08:45:40 AM Very original indeed. Qyite enjoyed it.
{psst} you sure that dice wasn't weighted? ;D Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 14, 2017, 06:19:03 PM Thanx James,
I have been called a bit different and number of times! Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 14, 2017, 06:21:01 PM Thanx Will,
No the dice were not loaded. But can I entice you to play a game of craps? I'll bring the dice! Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 14, 2017, 08:41:53 PM This is a nice little number. Well done.
I'm curious on the technique. You have a die numbered 1 to 6. So, for example (assuming you are in C major), rolling a one would mean a C-major chord, 5 a G, etc? So, no 7th interval. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 15, 2017, 01:10:02 AM This is a nice little number. Well done. I'm curious on the technique. You have a die numbered 1 to 6. So, for example (assuming you are in C major), rolling a one would mean a C-major chord, 5 a G, etc? So, no 7th interval. Thanx for listening and the very nice comment. We used dice and over on this side of the big pond that is 2 die, so we had 2 through 12. With 12 tones in the chromatic scale it was easy to assign chord roots. 1 was C, 2=C#, 3=D, 8=G, 10=A etc. Once we had the root chord we had to make a progression that flowed together. That is no real choppy changes. JonD and I came up with the following chord progressions: A-section = CMaj7-Fm7mb5-F#6-G#Maj7-D#dim7-D9-Am7b5-G7+ B section = FMaj7-C#dim7-Bm7-Dm7b5 I hope this helps. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 15, 2017, 04:54:45 PM Ahhhaa! 2 dice. Perfect ... results 1 to 12 align perfectly with a chromatic scale. Interesting choice of chords. I'm going to have to try something like that myself!
Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 17, 2017, 10:26:33 PM I got to thinking a bit more on this random thing ... and figured a short python program would be in order. After all, using dice is so old-school ;)
I posted the program and some comments up onto the MMA blog: https://musicalmidiaccompaniment.blogspot.ca/2017/01/random-chords.html (https://musicalmidiaccompaniment.blogspot.ca/2017/01/random-chords.html) Thanks again for sharing. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 19, 2017, 12:28:41 AM Bvdp, your program is very similar to one I wrote years ago in Atari basic. I had the number generator spit out numbers 1-7 with each number being the chord of the Ionian scale.
Dice is old school what would you expect from someone who used a slide rule? Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 19, 2017, 04:56:23 PM I'm not admitting to any uniqueness in the program. All things like this have probably been done thousands of times. Just a fun way to spend and hour slinging out code :)
Slide rules? Oh, yes I remember them. Even have a couple stashed away in the back of my desk drawer. One is a full sized thing for scientific use. The other is a shirt pocket model. Fortunately for the state of math in the world, I no longer have any idea how to use either. But, I do recall them being fast and easy to use. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: folderol on January 19, 2017, 07:00:47 PM pah!
When I were a lad we 'ad to use log tables, only we had to cut down the trees first for both the logs and the tables. ;D Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 19, 2017, 07:50:48 PM pah! When I were a lad we 'ad to use log tables, only we had to cut down the trees first for both the logs and the tables. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 19, 2017, 08:02:28 PM bvpd, here is one for you, slide rule transposition.
On one side have the chromatic scale written twice in a row. This is for the original key signature. On the other the chromatic scale written once. This is for the new key signature. Line up the original key to what you want as the transposed key signature. Just remember that the root chord and any slashes must be transposed, i.e. G/B transposed to A/C#. Everything else in the original chord stays the same, i.e. m7b5, Maj7 etc. I used Excel to build this as the spacing between each scale note is identical. This is a fast and easy way to transpose. I can send you or anyone else this if needed. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 19, 2017, 08:33:15 PM pah! When I were a lad we 'ad to use log tables, only we had to cut down the trees first for both the logs and the tables. ;D Love it! Tables made from logs. What could be better :) Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: bvdp on January 19, 2017, 08:36:21 PM bvpd, here is one for you, slide rule transposition. On one side have the chromatic scale written twice in a row. This is for the original key signature. On the other the chromatic scale written once. This is for the new key signature. Line up the original key to what you want as the transposed key signature. Just remember that the root chord and any slashes must be transposed, i.e. G/B transposed to A/C#. Everything else in the original chord stays the same, i.e. m7b5, Maj7 etc. I used Excel to build this as the spacing between each scale note is identical. This is a fast and easy way to transpose. I can send you or anyone else this if needed. You mean you can't do transposition on-the-fly, in your head? Seriously, I know some folks who can do a pretty job at that playing piano. I have no idea how their brains work. Since I play sax and need everything transposed to play I re-type all my music into MUP which does a very good job of transposing. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 21, 2017, 12:05:15 AM Will, and anyone else, here are the MIDI files for Roll the Dice.
But we have a problem with the audio. I have 16 Flac files for you: Flac compressed more than Zip. Unfortunately some are over 8Mb, thus I can not up load them here. What do you suggest? Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: folderol on January 21, 2017, 09:08:44 AM Hmmm.
I wonder if something like Dropbox would be the answer I've never used them myself so have no idea what that entails. Soundcloud is another possibility, although it's not exactly what the site is intended for! I'll have a look at the MIDI file over the weekend anyway. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 21, 2017, 04:06:34 PM Will, I have a DropBox account. It is very easy to set up. Just let me know if you want to go that route.
Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: folderol on January 21, 2017, 06:35:29 PM Sounds like a plan to me :)
Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 22, 2017, 03:44:11 PM Will, or anyone else interested, I have uploaded the files to Dropbox.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97281321/Roll%20the%20Dice%20flacs.zip Notice that I have zipped all of the Flacs into one DL. Although this is a some what big file it will save you from DLing 16 different tracks. Just DL, unzip the unflac (is that a word?) each file. Let me know how this works or doesn't work out. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 23, 2017, 10:20:08 PM You mean you can't do transposition on-the-fly, in your head? Seriously, I know some folks who can do a pretty job at that playing piano. I have no idea how their brains work. Since I play sax and need everything transposed to play I re-type all my music into MUP which does a very good job of transposing. Sorry it took so long to respond but yes I can transpose on the fly IF the song is not to complicated. I could never do it on a song like Roll the Dice. Fortunately I can read music and I can jam and improvise on the fly so if I am having problems transposing a lead line I can just jam or improvise. In other words fake it! A true story. Many years ago I was playing in a wedding band. We were playing the song Fascination with a Tenor doing the lead. The key was Eb. The lead player looked at me and said take it. Well I really messed up the first run (it-was-fas-ci) so I tremolo picked the long notes (na-tion-I-know) (for those that know the song know what I am talking about). People started to laugh so I purposely blew all the runs and tremolo picked the long notes. Everyone was laughing, including all in the band. When we got done everyone was applauding. On break many said "you are a really good guitarist. I liked the way you purposely messed up that song but came back right on. You gotta be good to do that". If they only knew the truth! Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: folderol on January 25, 2017, 04:05:29 PM Will, or anyone else interested, I have uploaded the files to Dropbox. Got that. I'll have a play with it soon... ish. As well as the usual stuff, I've now just taken on restoring an old fireplace in my home - one I didn't know existed until I removed all the crap from in front of it - guess I'll never learn ::)https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97281321/Roll%20the%20Dice%20flacs.zip Notice that I have zipped all of the Flacs into one DL. Although this is a some what big file it will save you from DLing 16 different tracks. Just DL, unzip the unflac (is that a word?) each file. Let me know how this works or doesn't work out. Title: Re: Roll the Dice Post by: MarioD on January 25, 2017, 09:07:32 PM Will, it looks like you will have your hands full cleaning that up. Does it still have a flue? If so you will have to do something with it also, maybe block it off? If it's open you may get some cold air down flows coming into your house.
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