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I've started to take this away into my own style now. I've switched the piano for two guitars, dropped the percussion (for now) and extended the piece with a 3rd verse variation.

It is still a bit rough. The guitars in particular need to be aligned a bit better in places, and I might change them a bit more to give greater seperation.

As usual comments are welcome.

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Oh dear, cold light of dawn :(

Using guitar definitely does not work. It completely fails the 'Next Room' test (where I literally walk into an adjacent room) and just sounds muddled.

I will have to think of something else!

Update!

I've replaced the file with a version that has the extension but no guitar or drums.

Ideas welcome

 :-*
Once again, this is a beautiful piece, in my view.

If you wish to elaborate on this by adding 'real' guitar, and anything else that fits, I would be most happy to take a 'collab' for this one.......maybe for the next Kara-Moon CD ?
It is certainly the sort of composition that 'grabs me by the lugs' as we geordies say!!
Let me know......I'll be happy to oblige, Will.
 ;)
James

I think I know what could make this song better....
The melody is a bot too syncopated and laks fluidity. I think it would gain a lot from been plaid by a windcontroller.

Do you have a score for the melody (or a midi file)?
I could ask Azell to play it on here windcontroller

Just an idea

k

Thanks James. Yes I'd certainly be interested in that. Not sure how the best way is to go about that. I could probably put a wav or flac file on my website if you want the highest quality base recording, but see Kara's post too!

That sounds an interesting idea.

MIDI would be the way I would have to go. Would you want a midi file of just the melody, or the whole piece?

It is actually only 6 tracks!

I could also let you have the ZynAddSubFX parameter file if you wanted to do a whole reconstruction.

I would be interested.....when you think that you have a finished 'length' of piece, just send a wav or mp3 file and I will put it in Reaper and just 'noodle' round it.  If anything good comes out I can send you the 'good' files for you to remix......or I can ask you for better individual files......
take it as it comes?
 ;)
James

Folderol

Can you post a mp3 mix without the melody & the midi file.
That way I can print the score for Azell and ask here to play the melody
James could then add a counter melody with his flute

Sound like a good plan, what do you think ?

James ok ?

k

Yup
 ;)

Okey dokey here we go ;D

Hmmm, that's the mp3 file but how do I attach the midi one?

As a zip file ?  ;D
I've just changed the forum settings, normaly you should be able to attach *.mid files now

k

As a ... duh!

Thanks for opening .mid I've attached it now. The melody starts at bar 9. Not quite sure what the Rosegarden -> MIDI conversion will think of 8 bars of silence!

P.S.

Without the melody on top I think I hear a couple of suspects chords in the last verse :(

no worries, midi is midi
as it is just data it shows up correctly in any sequencer

k

working on the song, expect something for tomorrow evening

k

  :)  :D  ;D

Will,
I'm trying to find some time to look at this.
Could you let me know the chord sequence to save me a bit of 'messing about'.
Thanks
 ;)
James

ok Will, a litle sound check
you have 3 choices :
1. Clarinet
2. Flute
3. Don't like it, forget it

k

Clarinet, definitely :)

I couldn't download the 3rd option so dismissed it straight away  ;D

ok,....
Azell just told me you have more taste then I have, I prefered the flute  ::)

 ;D

k

Oops. Nearly missed this :-\

verses 1, 2 & 4
C(2), Dm(1), Dm(2), Em(1), C(1), C(2), Dm(1), Bdim(2), C(2), Dm(1), Em(2), F(1), Em(1), Bdim(2), C(1) - 2 bars

verse 3
F(1), F, Bb, F, C(1), C(2), Dm(1), F, C(2), Dm(1), Em(2), F(1), Em(1), Bdim(2), C(1) - 2 bars

The bracketed terms are the chord inversion.

You'll see the 3rd verse lines up with the others on its 9th bar.

Thanks Will.


Well, I would just go for 'little bee'.....as in 'Bb'

 ;)
James

Done
... and two wrongly identified chords corrected too!

Yup,
just found them myself.
 ::)
J

okay  :D

Let us know what you think of this

Azell asked me to tell you 2 things
If you compose for windplayers please consider 2 things
> Give them some air from time to time  ;D
> When you put accidentials in your melody don't make them too short, the air has to have a change to flow...

You turn now James  8)

k

I'll try to get somthing done with this tomorrow.
 :-X
James

playing is good, and timing much smoother than my line. I can see the problems with some of my 'twiddles', but then the only wind instrument I've ever played (not well) was a penny whistle which can respond much faster of course.

I had tried to leave some breath space, but obviously not enough, or in the wrong places :(

But, erm, I thought we were going with the clarinet  ??? That's the flutiest clarinet I've ever heard  :o

Great.

You've got lots of clear 'headroom' so please feel free to fill it :)

P.S>
We can fight with kara about the clarinet later ;D

For the sound, I actually tought of something that would go well with the pennywistle of James
We'll see how it works out...

k

 :D
OK.....first try!

I've simply taken Kara's version and tried to compliment Azell's beautiful 'clarinet' playing.
What I would like to do (when I can find the time) is to have an extended version, maybe twice as long, and put in a 'Marc Knopfler' style guitar....way in the background with loads of 'verb......!
Anyway....this is today's quick version!
 ;)
James

The sound of the whistle works well in the mix (still think we need a clarinet though), and I see the outline you are following, but I wonder if the piece is actually too slow or indistinct, as you seem rather hesitant. Would a click track or line help do you think? Mind you I'm probably being a bit unfair as it's your first shot at an unfamiliar tune.

I would like to hear a Knopfler style guitar backing this. That would be really good.

How would you envisage it being extended, repeat verses or new variations?

P.S.

I consider myself fortunate that nobody will ever hear my first attempt at the original melody :P

Will,
I'm just listening again as I read your comments and can see what you mean.
However....this was intentional, as a sort of 'echo' style to attempt to supplement the main instrument without detracting from it, if you understand.  :-\
This is why I would like to have an extended version.
My opinion (FWIW) is that a musical theme should be allowed to develop so the listener recognises the structure......then let that structure support a bit of 'interpretation'. If the interpretation is applied before the poor listener has 'got his lugs in' (as they say in my part of the world), it usually makes a mess of the main theme.  :-X

Anyway, I enjoyed doing this and would like to take it further. (by the way, I quite like the 'clarinet')
At this point I can hear just the whole repeated.....unless you can come up with a suitable variation....maybe a longish bridge section then finish with V3 and V4.

Thank you for your music.....it's lovely!
 ;)
James

Ok, I broadly agree with what you are saying here.

What I'm thinking now is to add a bridging section as you suggest, but making it perform a key change too (probably up a 4th) to a final repeat of V3 & V4.

How does this sound James & Kara?

As this is all keyboard stuff for me, I can easily change key if that would make it easier for 'real' instrument players.

Yup,
So that would move it from C to F ?
If so, that's fine with me.
 ;)
James

Hi,

I haven't forgotten. This will take a bit of time to sort out.

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